Rebecca
Hey Nat.

Natalie
Hey Bec.

Rebecca
Welcome to our first episode of 2022.

Natalie
Happy New Year.

Rebecca
Hashtag hope. That’s what you said before we started and I like that.

Natalie
Yeah, let’s own that.

Rebecca
We’ve had a hopeful day. Elsie directed us in a couple TikToks.

Natalie
Which was, you know, a challenge, because I had to really dig deep with my acting skills that are not necessarily something that I channel.

Rebecca
Well, you did very well. I thought it was a very authentic hug. You’ll have to go watch our TikTok to understand. Although I do feel we are always on this very fine line between, like, humiliation and risk-taking when we do TikToks. Do you feel that?

Natalie
Yes, I really do, and I definitely feel like in my professional life I have to rein some of Elsie’s ideas in.

Rebecca
You’re slightly worried. She wanted us to a sexy choreography to Rod Stewart. Ok, the movies weren’t sexy at all…

Natalie
No, it’s just the lyrics — “Do you think I’m sexy?”

Rebecca
Isn’t it “Do you want my body?”

Natalie
Yeah, that whole one. I’m like, I don’t need that out there in the world.

Rebecca
Although that is so cute that she wanted us to do those moves. Gosh, we didn’t. We insisted on something much tamer.

Natalie
But it’s out there. So yeah, go check it out. What do people look for, by the way? Just Sister On?

Rebecca
I think it’s sisteron_pod. I’ll put it in the show notes.

Natalie
Ok.

Rebecca
Or I won’t put it in the show notes and it’ll just be something you and me do for each other.

Natalie
For each other. And the randos that find us on there.

Rebecca
Yeah.

Natalie
That’s its own adventure, Rebecca.

Rebecca
And we are together here at the farm, although we haven’t been together because Simon and I got COVID.

Natalie
Yeah, that was hard. That was a bummer.

Rebecca
Yeah. We did a rapid test right before the holidays started. That was a bit of a drag.

Natalie
Yeah, I think a lot of people’s holidays this year have been really muddled because of COVID.

Rebecca
Yeah. I’ve heard a lot of people getting sick. Although it was very mild, so I continue with our hashtag hope. It was mild. So hopefully it is that way for other people who get it.

Natalie
Get vaxxed, get boosted if you can. Do all the things.

Rebecca
Yeah. Because it’s like strange that it hit us anyway, because we do all those things. Although I’m not going to be that person that says “I don’t know, how did I get it?” Although you do feel that way.

Natalie
Yeah, I mean, that’s the psychology of it, isn’t it? That’s weird, especially because it plays out so online. But I think because you guys had done all these steps that we had access to then you were a lot more protected than somebody who either hasn’t been able to or whatever. Anyways, I’m super glad that that’s where you’re at. And obviously thinking about school coming up, wishing into the ether that all the people will do all the things that they can to protect the students and the teachers.

Rebecca
I’m just going to be silent for that, cause I don’t…

Natalie
Hashtag hope.

Rebecca
So this episode we’re calling New Year’s…

Natalie
Revolution.

Rebecca
Talk to me Nat, it was your title.

Natalie
Well, I’m word playing here. Obviously. New Year’s resolution. And we’ve already talked in previous podcasts leading up to the holidays about reframing holiday, reframing gift. And so here’s my attempt to have us reframe resolution. And so I’m playing with the language and I’m saying New Year’s revolution because I think that it would be kind of interesting to revolutionize that phrase for ourselves. And this is not new. Lots of people are doing this. I saw something this morning about somebody’s take on this, some writer’s take is to basically get rid of New Year’s, even just as a day, completely. Like what calendar are we following and why are we following it, and all the expectations that are heaped upon this day, but I think I’m looking to have us reframe it maybe more towards the hashtag hope thing — simply because I think that if it is a day that kind of falls in our yearly calendar that we do abide by, then why not imbue it with a whole bunch of hope and wonder? So we’re going to revolutionize the word —

Rebecca
You mean like, who made this calendar? White people made this calendar?

Natalie
Well, I don’t think it totally works like that. But definitely in terms of —

Rebecca
I like to say things real simple. And then have you nuance them for me.

Natalie
I mean, that is very definitively a westernized calendar — and my “westernized” as a word is put in quotation marks there — but just in terms of what holidays are followed. Winter solstice versus everybody celebrating quote unquote Christmas holidays, as opposed to modifying it to winter holidays. There’s a lot of nuance in there that one could unpack, but even just the notion of when the year starts I think is something to play with.

Rebecca
Right? Like who, who decides that? I did see online somewhere, it was on time.com. That’s what I’m seeing that I wrote down. It’s not important where I get my news. But it was the idea of if you can’t improve your own life heading into — I mean we are in the starting of a new year — maybe you can improve someone else’s, which I kind of liked as a concept. If you’re too tired, essentially, or too drained by COVID life, maybe you don’t have a lot of vision for yourself. But could you improve someone else’s? Interesting.

Natalie
Yeah. I like that. Because obviously, helping others is not just honorable, but it’s also necessary. I mean, we live in community. I think the danger of practicing self-care, and as one who needs to do some work on that, at times in my own journey, I think it can devolve pretty quickly into sort of a myopic self-obsession.

Rebecca
That’s the danger there?

Natalie
Yeah. And again, I’ve read lots on that, and how there was some recent —

Rebecca
Like a self-obsession, like “How am I doing helping other people?”

Natalie
No, just how self-care can turn into just about the self. I think there was a recent novel that was called Self-Care. I read a recent review on that one. And it was all about that, just how the main character had gotten so good at Goop-ifying her life, right? Think of all that wellness industry stuff. But it became so just about her that there was no room for the partner that she was supposed to be working with in this business that they were building. And so the other person was suffering because of the main character’s inability to see outside of her own, well, myopia, right? Her own sense of self. So anyways, I think that’s a bit of a tightrope there, right?

And yet, thinking about this idea of helping others, which is so wonderful, but right before the holidays I actually read a tweet by an encampment advocate — you know, like, our neighbors in tents idea. And she was saying that around the holidays, people become really desirous of this good feeling that comes with giving. Whatever sort of dopamine hit kind of comes from being good, and doing something for someone else. And then I think that goes back to the episode we talked about with gift giving. There’s something in the giving of the gift that makes the self feel so good.

Rebecca
Which can be good and important.

Natalie
Which can be really good, yes. But at the same time can also almost take over any of the good that came from giving the gift. And then there’s the whole power in being the gift receiver, and to receive or not to receive. But anyways, she was saying in this tweet that around the holidays people want to give, but then they actually give not necessarily the right things. So she described folks coming and you know, wanting to share their holiday meals with some of those who are living in tents, right, some of those who are housing challenged. And so then, thinking of these folks who don’t have a microwave to heat up the food, and so now all this food is just sort of sitting out, so the animals come. So now you’ve got like more animals around your tent than is actually safe for you, and let alone food poisoning. All these things that you don’t even think about when you’re just like, “I just want to give you a meal,” and you’ve got now pounds of food sitting in these little communities, not necessarily in a way that was asked for. You’re not actually being asked to be a guest in somebody’s home. You’re just being asked to eat your food.

So she was suggesting that if everybody really has this great desire to give, then one can do so but then one could actually do the research to figure out what are the things that are needed. And so she gave a quick list? She was like, money, or TTC tokens, or mitts, or warm socks. Any of those things could be left there. But she even said, or just do a little bit of research and figure out in your own area, what are the services, what specific support systems might be needing the money to help support those neighbors in tents? So I can think in the Junction of certainly some, but in your own area, you probably know of different places that would be able to give and support those who need. So anyways, I think that tweet troubled for me this notion of helping, because I think that as much as I like the Time article’s, you know, turn the turn the lens sort of the self and more towards the other, I think that it’s important that we keep checking in. It’s really important that I check in with myself, with my desire to do good and to make sure that it is truly good for the receiver who might be on the receiving end of my holiday cheer.

Rebecca
Yeah. It’s interesting, because I certainly have had those moments. If I’m giving some of the homeless people in our… can you say homeless people?

Natalie
Yeah.

Rebecca
Okay. I just wondered if… should we edit this little bit out?

Natalie
No, not necessarily. I mean, it’s just different language choices, right?

Rebecca
But is it an ok language choice?

Natalie
Oh, 100%. I think it’s fine. I think it becomes a little bit about when you attach a word to a person, does the person then become the thing? Like a person who happens to be homeless, but they also might be an artist right.

Rebecca
This as a tangent, are you ready for it? I was speaking with a woman who works at the Holland Bloorview Rehabilitation Hospital. I was talking to her about a show that we’re working on about kid robots who are disabled. She was saying that the people that she works with, they very much want to be called disabled, like a disabled actor. And they want that first.

Natalie
They want that owned.

Rebecca
They want to own it, and they don’t want to be called people who are disabled. Is that something you already knew?

Natalie
No. I’m curious how she is framing this based on their situation?

Rebecca
Yeah, that it it is fully part of their life, and they don’t want it to be minimized, or try to have it —

Natalie
Shoved off to the side?

Rebecca
Yeah, shoved off to the side as if it’s not the main part. I wouldn’t think it would apply in this homeless situation, a person who happens to be homeless. I don’t think they would want to own that part.

Natalie
Maybe, maybe not. That would be a good question to ask any of — and I’m saying our neighbors, because we live in an area, there are certain folks along the Dundas strip who we know by name, right? We know our neighbors in some of the houses, and then we know some of our neighbors who don’t live in houses, and so why not sort of learn each other’s names and figure it out? And then you sort of just ask the person, “How do you see yourself?” I mean, I think it just kind of comes down to that type of —

Rebecca
Conversation and willingness to engage that that conversation.

Natalie
Yeah, and obviously, your contact at Holland Bloorview has had those conversations with those very specific folks from that. That’s the show right? I’m getting that one right? You said the kid robots.

Rebecca
Yeah, that we’re writing. You and me, Nat.

Natalie
Oh, I didn’t know that’s what you were naming it. The show that we’re writing is called Kid Robots?

Rebecca
We’re gonna have so much to edit out! Natalie, you and me are writing a show based on some books you wrote.

Natalie
Yes. I know that.

Rebecca
And they’re kid wizards. I’m saying robots and that’s throwing you.

Natalie
Oh, that was really throwing me. I was like, “Wait a second…”

Rebecca
Nat, wizards and robots are the same thing. Because language doesn’t matter. People are going to be so confused right now.

Natalie
This whole episode is going down the crapper! Anywho, now you guys can be teased a little bit to think about what on earth are Nat and Bec writing and talking about?

Rebecca
It’s robots are wizards. Ok Nat, thank you for helping me trouble every damn thing. So, we are examining ourselves, our language we’re just standing there naked in front of each other.

Natalie
All the time.

Rebecca
Just like the end of Don’t Look Up.

Natalie
Yeah, that was a lot, eh? A lot of nude butts.

Rebecca
That naked scene, where they all walked out of the… was very vulnerable. On a different note, I wanted to say — we briefly talked about this, but Simon has taken to saying, “These holidays I make no promises.”

Natalie
Because he does, he helps a lot in the family. Right? He does good for people.

Rebecca
I mean, yeah. He does. And I think it comes sometimes with further expectations that you keep helping, you keep helping. So for example, one of the things he won’t promise is to make a million dollars from selling NFTs. Simon, are you listening?

Natalie
I would be wary of that expectation too.

Rebecca
Ok, and he wouldn’t promise to make Christmas bread, what Elsie calls Christmas Kringle bread? It’s somewhere between Swedish and Estonian bread? He wouldn’t promise, he just did it when he was damn ready. But I really like it when he promises.

Natalie
Right? Because then you can anticipate this thing.

Rebecca
I appreciate how he’s trying to you know, stave off disappointment and own his time, in a way?

Natalie
Maybe? Yeah, that’s interesting.

Rebecca
How do you see it?

Natalie
Well, this might be a bit of a jump —

Rebecca
Jump!

Natalie
From bread to philosophy. But in that both bread and philosophy feed us, I can see Si’s reticence to making any promises. It reminds me of a conversation I just had with dad last week. One of his favorite writers, who is Paul Tillich, a German-American Christian existential philosopher. And this is the kind of conversation we just randomly have with dad, he just walked into the living room and he sat down, he went, “I’m reading this,” and he just wanted to share about that specific chapter. In the chapter he was reading, he was Tillich was kind of running with Jesus’s exhortation to make no odes. And that comes from the part, I forget what book it was, Mark? But anyways, he says, “But I say do not make any vows, do not say by heaven, because heaven is God’s throne.” But the idea of do not make any odes is important to Tillich, and dad was talking about this because Tillich was very focused on justice. And so a key focus for him in this phrase was recognizing the really inherent power of words, and the key importance of not being light or being flippant with them.

Rebecca
Right, which is interesting. I would say, that represents huge growth actually, probably for Simon and my marriage, because I’ve always gotten really upset in our marriage life over feeling like he’s using words flippantly, or just trying to please me. I think in the moment he has said those words he intends, he me means well for me, but then life will get in the way. So I think him saying I will not promise to make you a million or whatever, I will not promise to make this bread. He wants to stand by his word. So actually, I think it’s actually a really neat thing.

Natalie
Well, Tillich would say so.

Rebecca
To really own. And I mean we have certainly talked about words, the power of words in our negative self-talk, and we did a whole episode. Didn’t we just repost that, Thought Wasps? So the words. I mean, what is the negative self talk you struggle with? We’ve certainly talked about this.

Natalie
Yeah, I definitely remember in that episode talking about grappling with some pretty serious imposter syndrome in terms of my own academic writing. And so words that I know I need to be careful with in my head are like, “Natalie, you haven’t done enough,” or “You don’t measure up compared to some random academic who posts on Twitter,” as if that’s supposed to be some kind of place to measure myself against. So those are words that are very powerful in my head that I have to grapple with.

Rebecca
Yeah, and it’s always so funny when we admit to the things we grapple with, do you not find that? When when you tell me what you grapple with, I hear that and I’m like, “How could you possibly? How could that possibly be something, you don’t measure up?” I just see you as measuring up so strongly, so well. Just the very base thing that, you know, “I suck,” those kind of negative phrases, just very generalized —I feel like I have taken control of those a little bit of late, Oprah would be proud of me. Not total dominion over those phrases, but enough. Do you not find it interesting, like, if you’re Oprah, do you just not have those moments? Is that what happens when you get to be Oprah?

Natalie
I don’t think so. There’s no way that even with all of her power, she’s not immune. She not immune to self-critique. I just think that that is so human.

Rebecca
I would be curious, although knowing her she’s probably admitted it somewhere, she’s not afraid to be vulnerable — but she’s probably admitted what her weirdo phrase is, right, in her own head?

Natalie
Yeah, for sure. But I mean, she’s also got a lot of resources to combat that critique with, right? Like, she’s got a lot of help she can pull on, to help quell those words. But I do think, going back to that tightrope balancing act image that I was saying about self-care and myopia, and getting lost with our own kind of selfish self-obsession — that the words that we do choose impact the worlds we inhabit. So there’s the interior world of our mind and the words that we’re saying to ourselves, which we’re saying here, we need to be careful with, and we’re practicing that and striving for that. But it’s also the larger world around us. Like Simon saying he’s gonna make the bread, but he’ll make it when he’s good and ready. So that nobody’s walking around going, “Where’s that damn bread that I was promised?” But also just even like, the words that I choose to teach Frankie about how to just be a better little human as he continues to grow through his various growing up moments, right? I think that the words I choose can either help or hinder him. I think they can help or hinder my own experience of adulting around him. Being a person, being an adult, and trying to really channel like all of my grown-up self as I navigate him. So I just think the power of choosing our words carefully shows up not just in our heads, but right around us.

Rebecca
Although it’s so challenging that sometimes don’t you think we should just all be quiet? I mean, words are so powerful, and it’s so hard to get them right. And they are misinterpreted and our own intentions are mixed up often. Maybe that’s something I just want to practice more in 2022, is more silence.

Natalie
Listening. Or not even listening, just silence.

Rebecca
I guess if you’re silent, I would be. I’m gonna block my ears. But I think listening and just sitting in moments. That also goes with the the less frantic. That’s so funny, because you had said before, in our holiday episode, to try reframing my franticness as excitement.

Natalie
Right. How’d that go?

Rebecca
Well, it’s interesting because I got COVID. So we didn’t we didn’t do any of the things that make me frantic. So that was just off my plate. So maybe that was some weird reframing.

Natalie
Like life reframing for you. That’s interesting.

Rebecca
I guess. God. I don’t know. I’m gonna blame COVID on God. Great, do we have to edit that out too? Here’s another one. I just think this is funny. Our neighbors at the farm, really nice people. They do like to burn things. So that’s part of their thing, they’ve lived out in Prince Edward County for years. So it’s their privilege, that’s what we have talked about. I am offended by it because I see toxic gases going up into the environment, and I just find it — well, it just isn’t beautiful to look at. So that’s my snobbery or whatever, that you have asked me to examine.

Natalie
Gently.

Rebecca
Gently, to look at myself. But then he just sent me a text randomly. We have participated by bringing over some branches, which he has burned for us. Which I think is fully allowed so I’m now confessing that as well. We’ll just edit this out too. I couldn’t very well say, “Please stop burning your toxic things, but just keep burning the things I want you to burn for me.” Of course, we just haven’t. We had to just let it go. But then he sent me a text saying, “We are not renewing our burn permit, so please don’t bring any more branches. And my wife and daughter want to make the space more beautiful.”

Natalie
Oh, that’s wild.

Rebecca
Anyway, I like I just feel like that’s interesting. The things that we obsess about, all of a sudden they can just —

Natalie
God and COVID. God and the fire.

Rebecca
They just dissipate. I don’t know, that hashtag fucking hope. Nat. Right? But just these moments happen. If you were in a religious context, what would you call that?

Natalie
Miracle?

Rebecca
An expulsion? Or Grace pops into your life? I mean, you would think that’s ridiculous to think that about burning, they’re stopping, how would I call that a miracle? Although Simon and I do get super obsessed with our aesthetic notions of something. So we were gonna grow corn or something to block out the burning. It felt like I was starting to obsess about the wrong thing. So anyway, that’s like a little miracle for my mind.

Natalie
I’m not actually choosing the word miracle lightly. I think there’s something really beautiful about the way life can work. And I don’t know what the reasons are. I mean, I am going to say God, why not, because I believe. But I also think that sometimes somebody might just sort of frame it as the universe working together for good. And I believe that too.

Rebecca
For my good. Which is interesting. We have done a lot of work on the farm, which has made it more beautiful, which maybe for them has been good. Maybe that has encouraged their spirit, because I know this place hadn’t been well taken care of. I’m just thinking that the weird things that happen, we’re sort of giving and taking and giving to each other.

Natalie
Well, it is Rebecca, and you’re playing down the efforts you have put in with your neighbors, because that is a really beautiful quality about you — is that you will reach out and engage and make community in whatever space you’re in. And you’re the one that connected with them. Right? That’s not my way. Initially, it takes a little bit more work for me to reach out.

Rebecca
Are you curmudgeonly?

Natalie
Yeah, totally. No, I don’t think that I’m curmudgeonly, but I do think that is harder work for me.

Rebecca
Like, you’d hold back.

Natalie
Yeah. And stay a little bit more aloof and observing for a bit. And I think that’s something that you did there. And so the universe has gifted you back some little holiday miracle. New Year’s revolution, baby, I think that’s wonderful. As you said, for both parties, there’s some gift happening there. I think that’s really lovely.

Rebecca
So what kind of miracle or revolution are you wanting for 2022? I wouldn’t have known that was a miracle, necessarily, or could claim. What are you claiming?

Natalie
I really don’t know if I’ve actually said this to you lately. So this might be a bit of a surprise to you. But I really do believe that my body has been talking to me. And I’ve just been a better listener. And I think that that’s the thing that I would like to revolutionize for myself in 2022 is really honing in on listening to my pain. So right now, my leg has been bugging me, and it’s sort of moved up into my hip. And that’s really annoying, because it’s always been my ankle. But now it’s my hip. And I have been doing good exercises and lots of yoga to try and keep it stretched out. But it’s just, you know, this right leg, man, it’s cursed. Or not, or it’s honestly just trying to communicate to me that certain parts of my day-to-day routines are not actually good for me. And the last time I really didn’t listen and I pushed through, is when I got sick and hospitalized, right. That’s really not super useful.

Rebecca
Yeah, when you were like running on the treadmill at two in the morning and stuff?

Natalie
More like 10pm, but still. I think I thought, “If I run this off, this will make it go away.” So now, I’ve gotten better at listening to my body, but I also think I’ve gotten better at not just listening to it, but actually then honoring what it’s telling me. Because it’s one thing for my body to say, with its own version of words, what it’s feeling — but it’s another thing for me to take up those feelings and and really like care for them.

Rebecca
Because we can ignore, we can sort of acknowledge and then ignore.

Natalie
Or say you’re reframing. I can reframe something to the point of it losing its integral message. Right? Like that’s not useful.

Rebecca
“You’re telling me to work harder. Walk more.”

Natalie
Yeah, right, exactly. I don’t want to do that, I don’t want to lose the integrity of the message that my body is trying to share with me. So I don’t know what that actually means yet. And I’m not sure what kind of incremental shifts I can make for a greater good in my own mind and body. But I can start with these yoga exercises, obviously, and I can pay attention and do all my standing up moments when my leg starts hurting again. Which it is actually, right now. So I might stand up.

Rebecca
And not apologize.

Natalie
So yeah, not apologize for it, just stand the fuck up. That’s what sometimes you have to do.

Rebecca
Maybe you need a little button that you pull out, “This is me taking care of me,” or something like that.

Natalie
I like that. Right now, I’m wearing this beanie with a gecko on the front of it, because I love that it’s fluorescent orange. But instead of the gecko, I should just have, “Doing this for myself,” or something like that, some line that just announces something so I don’t have to constantly make excuses. So anyways, incremental shifts, that’s going to be my revolutionized 2022. So I’m paying attention to the words that come out of my own mouth, but also to the to the quote unquote words that my body is speaking to me.

Rebecca
I’m thinking for myself, that there’s something about me continuing to find ways to be in the moment of something. So this is this ongoing thing, a battle with myself — a moment will be over, and then I’ll think, “Was I even in that moment?”

Natalie
Yeah, you wrote about it in one of your Observables.

Rebecca
Did I?

Natalie
The idea of just being present in the moment, and not just thinking about, “Am I enjoying the moment? I should just be in the moment.” Not feeling so — I’m going to use the word frantic, I don’t think that’s what you used. Trying to cling to some sort of marker of this moment, and just be in it.

Rebecca
Did I write all that.

Natalie
Yep, and it was good. In fact, I liked it.

Rebecca
Actually, I’ve decided that maybe the Observables is a way for me to — because I was trying to think about what is this newsletter that I write, what is it actually? Do I keep going? I was thinking that it’s also a way for me to just reflect and get present with my life. That maybe there is something about that. Simon’s also doing this newsletter. We’ve just become this newsletter couple. And he’s calling his Pulling Earth, and he’s drawing little bits of nature.

Natalie
They are bits. They’re small little bits.

Rebecca
They tend to be small!

Natalie
It’s really sweet, because he’s like, Bec, “I’m gonna publish, do I publish?” I really like it.

Rebecca
And then I read it three times. But it’s him sketching to get in the moment, so I’m kind of inspired by him. And was thinking, “Maybe I am doing that with Observables. Maybe that’s part of my thing.” That is a goal for 2022, try to not be kind of bird’s eye over my life. Just to really sit. My family is always saying, “Oh, you always leave.” Up at the farm, there’s not many places to go. So I often go to my room because I do like to be alone. I like to read and do those things, too. I’m not saying I’m not going to do that, Natalie. You were saying in one of our Holiday episodes, I’m going to do what I want to do, when I want to do it. So I’m not sure what this means exactly. But I know that I want to be present in my life. And I don’t want to get like 30 years from now and be like, “I wonder how my child’s teen years were. What was Violet like when she was nine, because I wasn’t fully present in it.” This is a huge topic, so maybe we can unpack this more one day, but just getting present in my own life. I hate that actually, when I say that, I really hate that phrase. “Getting present in my own life.”

Natalie
Ok, so we’ll work with stronger, more carefully curated words.

Rebecca
I have to find the right language. I don’t know why I hate that, it sounds trite or something. We’ve thrown this “getting present” thing so much in wellness, and it’s talked about so much.

Natalie
You’re balking at that, I think a little bit. But the actual notion of it is real.

Rebecca
But the notion of being right here and not, you know, thinking about what I want. What I want to do, or what I want to achieve. Taming those things. Just, I like this moment of this conversation because it’s just here. You.

Natalie
Yeah, I like looking at you and your little green hat.

Rebecca
And you and your Gecko beanie.

Natalie
Our children waiting patiently outside to be able to come in the house.

Rebecca
It’s just good to be here with you, Nat. Hashtag hope. I make no promises. Any other things we want to recap?

Natalie
I love you, Rebecca.

Rebecca
I love you.

Natalie
We’re building this Sister On community Becca, it’s happening. And I think that that’s neat. It’s neat that people want to join us in conversation.

Rebecca
Yeah.

Natalie
Love you.

Rebecca
We you should just say, look for us on TikTok.

Natalie
Or not, oh my gosh. But anyway.

Rebecca
Or Twitter.

Natalie
Twitter for sure.

Rebecca
What’s our Twitter?

Natalie
sisteron_pod, I think. We’ll throw it in the show notes.

Rebecca
Just follow us in all those places, you guys. It’s useful.

Natalie
And encouraging. Oh my gosh, encouraging for sure.

Rebecca
Sensitive souls.