This is shame 2.0 for Nat and Bec as they encounter technical difficulties the first time around. For this second time through they dig even deeper into the nuances of guilt, embarrassment and guilt. They discover that Nat is a bit of a rebel and takes an alternative stance whenever she can. Bec feels like her shame is rooted in being "too much." They both muse about how the church upbringing has potentially contributed to feelings of shame. Nat suggests adopting her husband's notion of putting a metaphorical arm around our younger selves and our selves in the present, as a way to release some of the "bad" feelings.